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Old 06-06-13, 07:56 PM
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Default Fusing the hocks with alcohol/ethanol

Has anyone here had their horses hocks fused with the alcohol injections?

I have tried everything with Max, the steroid injections only last 3 weeks then he comes back sorer. He is currently on 2 weekly Pentosan and daily HA and MSM.

Nerve blocks and xrays have isolated his ongoing intermittent lameness issues to having bone spavins/distal tarsal osteoarthritis.

I love this horse to bits and his constant on again off again lameness has been heartbreaking. I'd love to hear of anyones experiences with this procedure, my vet is a specialist equine surgeon and I have complete faith in him but cant help but worry about my boy!
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Old 06-06-13, 08:08 PM
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Don't quote me but I think fusing means no more competition according to the EA???
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Old 06-06-13, 08:19 PM
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Is this to keep the horse paddock sound or for serious riding.

My old boy had a massive bone spavin as a result of a major paddock accident but he was never lame on it after the initial healing. Was certainly very visible in his later years though.
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Old 06-06-13, 08:33 PM
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Many, many horses are fused in these joints Lisaq as it often happens naturally, but I will look it up just in case.
The horse is a competition horse so is for serious riding but I will be happy if he is just stabilised and not getting worse.
As he is, he'd be ok for casual riding but it would cause him problems down the track if it wasnt addressed now.
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Old 06-06-13, 08:39 PM
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Yeah I'm not 100% sure, but best to check any way, I know that some fusing and tendon surgery (not sure what) is prohibited in competition, but I am not more helpful there sorry

Sorry to hear your issues are still ongoing
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Old 07-06-13, 10:10 AM
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I believe you are thinking of denerving that isn't permitted in competition horses. I had my horses hocks fused with the alcohol solution. The injections were done at home and really no different than the normal hock injections. He was given pain relief at the time but his hocks certainly didn't seem to cause him any pain in the days after, he was trotting and cantering around the paddock quite happily. Unfortunately the injections didn't cause complete fusion and while my vet said they could be repeated I decided to retire my boy.
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Old 07-06-13, 11:06 AM
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Thanks for that catnipped, how much time did your horse have off after the injections? The vet did say that occasionally it takes more than one shot, what made you decide to retire him?
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Old 07-06-13, 11:14 AM
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Hav you tried chemical fusion?

I had my dressage horse done at Camden unversity vetinary hospital outside Sydney.

Google chemical fusion - lots of info.

It takes a few months to get the hock strong again and they must be worked.

I got another few years out of my boy.
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Old 07-06-13, 11:21 AM
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Baldrick the vet said chemical fusion is extremely painful and has to be done under anaesthetic with an epidural to help with the initial pain, he doesn't like to do it & I couldn't do it.
He told me the ethanol has a higher success rate with less complications.

How was your horses recovery? Has he retired comfortably?
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Old 07-06-13, 12:14 PM
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He cerainly didnt have an epidural but did have low doses of bute for several months because he had to be worked most days. Only low level dressage work and hacks out

He stayed at the uni hospital for a few days. I did it going into a canberra winter and the vets had not done one like that before.

It took him the 6 months to recover and be strong enough to do changes etc.

It all went wrong a couple of years later when it was winter and he kept getting foot abcesses so had to be locked up for several weeks and he went lame again in the hocks cos he wasnt getting worked.

The vets could put the full amount in 1 hock but not the other as it had partially fused itself.

He was given a year to settle down to paddock life and be retired but he was a total stress head in the paddock and took to smashing water troughs regularly.

I put him down after that - he hated retirement and was never happy unless pampoered in a stable.
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Old 07-06-13, 01:20 PM
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OK, thanks Baldrick.

I'm sorry you had to put him down in the end, some horses are their own worst enemy
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Old 07-06-13, 02:42 PM
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My vet said that post injection they don't really need any time off as the alcohol solution destroys the nerves so they are not feeling any pain in the joint. My boy had some other issues as well as his hocks so hence the decision to retire him. Although they say it can take a couple of injections to completely fuse the hock I am still unconviced about the effectiveness of the procedure. If I had a youngish horse I think I would opt for the cartilage drilling operation.
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Old 08-06-13, 08:04 PM
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What do the xrays show in terms of it fusing on it's own?

I believe you can't inject a hock to actually fuse itself, as the fusing is the lower joint actually coming together.

My horse has a hock that is starting to fuse. It will happen naturally but probably not for awhile.
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Old 09-06-13, 09:45 AM
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All the best to you and Maxy.... hope there is something you can do.
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Old 09-06-13, 10:13 AM
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Thanks Dash

Finn it has started to fuse but he needs to be hurried up a bit because he's overcompensating on one side and there is a shadow of bone growth beginning next to the talus. Once that develops he's out
The alcohol speeds up the process.
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Old 09-06-13, 10:22 AM
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Oh no, I don't have any experience with this but just wanted to offer ((hugs)) and hope for a recovery.
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Old 12-06-13, 12:02 AM
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Sorry to hear you're going through this.

My pony had a fusing hock which caused her so much trouble at the time. Lucky hers was fixed with a careful excercise routine, steroid injection and then 8 months off work in a large paddock with loads of movement. The time off was strongly disadvised by the vet (I went travelling), but actually seemed to work.

She came back into work slowly but surely and appears to be going well. Ocassionally we still have some really off days where she just appears a bit stiff - apparantely it is muscle memory etc.
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Old 12-06-13, 09:04 AM
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Sorry to hear you're going through this.

My pony had a fusing hock which caused her so much trouble at the time. Lucky hers was fixed with a careful excercise routine, steroid injection and then 8 months off work in a large paddock with loads of movement. The time off was strongly disadvised by the vet (I went travelling), but actually seemed to work.

She came back into work slowly but surely and appears to be going well. Ocassionally we still have some really off days where she just appears a bit stiff - apparantely it is muscle memory etc.
I see you are in Perth Bon B, would you mind telling me which vet you used? My WB mare is a bit 'hocky' and can't decide which vet to take her to.

Thank you
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Old 14-06-13, 12:40 AM
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Valley Equine - Anushka. Fantastic lameness vet.

Used that many "legs" vets who ALL missed the actual diagnosis and cost me thousands She was recommended when I was at my wits end and at the end of the road after another big "legs" vet in Perth said to just accept that is the way my pony is aka: lame got Anushka to see her and she had the problem diagnosed and treated swiftly.
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Bonb what was the diagnosis from Anushka?
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